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Offline Sinnox

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Creatine and Nitrates
« on: July 16, 2010, 12:31:27 AM »
Hello,

If I wanted to bond Creatine with a Nitrate group, how would the structure look? I tried it myself but I don't think it looks right. Thanks!!

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Re: Creatine and Nitrates
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2010, 05:10:14 AM »
Creatine is a quite strong base and forms ionic salt with nitric acid (creatineH)+NO3-.
Analogous to this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanidine_nitrate

Of course, a covalent compound og different structure is also possible with guanidinium group

Moreover, draw a correct formula for creatine
The name nitro creatine (bodybilding supplement) do a snow job on you - this product does not contain neither nitrate of nor nitro creatine.
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Re: Creatine and Nitrates
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2010, 10:10:27 AM »
Creatine is a quite strong base and forms ionic salt with nitric acid (creatineH)+NO3-.
Analogous to this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanidine_nitrate

Of course, a covalent compound og different structure is also possible with guanidinium group

Moreover, draw a correct formula for creatine
The name nitro creatine (bodybilding supplement) do a snow job on you - this product does not contain neither nitrate of nor nitro creatine.

So you're saying Creatine Nitrate wouldn't have a nitrate/ nitrite group attached to it via a covalent bond (or in this case, I'm pretty sure it'd be an ionic bond)? And could you please show me what the correct structure would look like? The structure for Creatine from Wikipedia is what I just attached.  Also, thanks.

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Re: Creatine and Nitrates
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2010, 03:54:55 PM »
The nitrate will simply protonate one of the guanidine nitrogens giving a nitrate salt.

Dehydration may give a nitrocreatine containing a nitroguanidine moiety.

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Re: Creatine and Nitrates
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2010, 04:29:28 AM »
I said "nitro creatine" - its simply means that bodybilding supplement contains an optimized (the best) content of NITROgen containing aminoacids

408 showed you a diiference between salt (nitrate) and nitro(guanidine, creatine)
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