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Ionic strength question
« on: September 17, 2010, 10:46:18 PM »

do i treat this question normally, but multiply the ionic strength of acetic acid by 0.048?

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Re: Ionic strength question
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2010, 03:43:00 AM »
What do you mean by "normally"? What is ionic strength definition?
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Re: Ionic strength question
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2010, 12:06:21 AM »
Would I treat it like

0.5 (0.048 x (0.0078 x  (acitic acid z^2s) + (0.5 x (dioxanes z^2)

for acetic acid C2H4O2  C (0.0078 x 2 x 1^2) +  H (0.0078 x 4 x 1^2) + O (0.0078 x 2 x 2^2)
dioxane C4H8O2    C (0.5x4x1) + H ( 0.5 x 8 x 1) + O (0.5 x 2 x 4)

so the ionic strength = 0.5 ( 0.048 x 0.1014 + 10) = 5
that seems pretty high though
is it because of the way im doing the z calculations?
like cause its C2, (2 x concentration x 1^2)?
but im not sure what to do with acetic acid as it has no charge, so i broke it up into C H and O
would z=0 for acetic acid?
What about dioxanes charge?
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Re: Ionic strength question
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2010, 03:22:42 AM »
If something has no charge, cizi2 is zero, so you just ignore it.

When you calculate ionic strength you carry summation for all IONS present. Use information provided to calculate concentration of ions.
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Re: Ionic strength question
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2010, 08:34:37 PM »
so the answer to that question is juts 0?
dioxane is neutral aswell ?

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Re: Ionic strength question
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2010, 02:37:44 AM »
so the answer to that question is juts 0?

How is dissociation fraction defined? What does it mean "4.8% of the acid dissociated"?

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dioxane is neutral aswell ?

Yes.
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Re: Ionic strength question
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2010, 09:44:49 PM »
does it mean 4.8% of the acetic acid dissociated in the dioxane? ohh would create a charge on 4.8% of both the compounds?


0.5 ( 0.048 x 0.0078 x 1^2)
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Re: Ionic strength question
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2010, 01:52:45 AM »
0.5 ?
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Re: Ionic strength question
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2010, 02:54:28 AM »
does it mean 4.8% of the acetic acid dissociated in the dioxane?

No, in water. But you are on the right track.

However, you need to sum effect of both ions, H+ and CH3COO-.
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Re: Ionic strength question
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2010, 03:18:13 AM »
thanks heaps for your help Borek

so it'll end up 0.5 ( 0.048 x 0.0078 x 1^2 x 2)

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Re: Ionic strength question
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2010, 04:22:55 AM »
Looks OK now.
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Re: Ionic strength question
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2010, 05:06:00 AM »
Note - over 100 years ago G.N. Lewis remarked that for electrolyte 1:1 (your case) its ionic strength is equal to its concentration (0.048 x 0.0078). This comes from his formula (0.5x2=1)
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