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Clarification of Schrodinger Naming
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Is there a different name for orbitals with both n=x, l=1+but ml is different?
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October 29, 2010, 03:31:37 PM »
Hi, can you clarify? Do you mean for any integer "n," -> l = {0, 1,...(n-1)}, ml = {-l,...0,...+l} ??
If you expand on your question I may be able to help...
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lets say for
n=3, l=2, ml=0
n=3, l=2, ml=1
Are they both 3d? or does the ml have any effect
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Re: Clarification of Schrodinger Naming
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October 29, 2010, 04:39:34 PM »
m
l
does matter. Both are 3d orbitals, but are not oriented in space in the same way... There are five 3d orbitals with m
l
ranging from -2 to +2. They are named 3d
z
2
, 3d
x
2
-y
2
, 3d
xy
, 3d
yz
and 3d
zx
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October 29, 2010, 05:29:04 PM »
So how do I know which ml value applies to which orbital name?
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October 29, 2010, 07:03:14 PM »
of the 5 d-orbitals, the ml values would be as such:
_ _ _ _ _
-2 -1 0 1 2
with each ml representing a different orientation
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October 29, 2010, 07:29:48 PM »
I realize that there are five ml values representing the five 3d orbitals. But do the specific values themselves attribute themselves to a particular orbital? Does ml=-1 attribute itself to 3dz2 etc.
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Re: Clarification of Schrodinger Naming
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November 01, 2010, 09:40:53 AM »
The values of magnetic quantum number do correspond to specific orbitals.
m
l
=0 => d
z
2
m
l
=+1 => d
xz
m
l
=-1 => d
yz
m
l
=+2 => d
x
2
-y
2
m
l
=-2 => d
xy
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November 02, 2010, 03:13:36 PM »
How is that derived? I've read the whole chapter and my book doesn't say how to name it past the 'l' value.
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November 03, 2010, 09:54:51 AM »
That's based on complex quantum mechanical calculations which haven't been taught to me till now!
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