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Titration Problem
« on: August 28, 2005, 06:29:08 PM »
Hi.  Having some trouble with a chem problem.  The question is:  what weight of solid sodium hydroxide must be added to 600ml of 0.1M NaH2(PO)4 to give a sodium phosphate buffer w/ a pH of 7.4 (assume negligible volume change).  I have been given that the correct answer is 1.918g.

So, I worked out that my 600ml of 0.1M soln has 7.2g NaH2(PO)4.  I assume I have to use Henderson-Hasselbach, but when I set it up as 7.4=12+log[NaOH]/[NaH2(PO)4] I don't get the right answer.  I am setting up this way b/c 12 is the third pKa of NaH2(PO)4.  But I don't get the right answer when I use the 2nd pKa either (6.8).  I assume I am doing something wrong with the setup of my equation, but can't figure out what...please *delete me*!  thanks!

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Re:Titration Problem
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2005, 07:10:46 PM »
when I set it up as 7.4=12+log[NaOH]/[NaH2(PO)4] I don't get the right answer

NaOH and NaH2(PO)4 are not a pair of acid and conjugate base.

http://www.chembuddy.com/?left=pH-calculation&right=pH-buffers-henderson-hasselbalch

also check

http://www.chembuddy.com/?left=pH-calculation-questions&right=pH-buffer-q2

Although it deals with other buffer and HCl (not NaOH) addition, it is about the same problem.

Second pKa is the one you have to use.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2005, 07:12:05 PM by Borek »
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Re:Titration Problem
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2005, 03:16:03 AM »
You should write out the reaction equation to help with the solution to this problem; (you can get rid of the spectator ions if you like.

NaOH       +    NaH2PO4   ---->   Na2HPO4    +    NaH2PO4     +    H2O
  ?                 in excess        conjugate base    conjugate acid

You then use the Henderson-Hasselbach equation to determine the concentration of HPO42- required for this buffer solution, hence the amount of NaOH required to form it.

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Re:Titration Problem
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2005, 07:03:44 AM »
You want to have an H2PO4-/HPO42- buffer

the latter you get when you add NaOH:
OH- + H2PO4- <-> HPO42- + H2O

The little trick with that kind of question is now that as you add NaOH, the NaOH goes away and you get the same amount of HPO42- and at the same time you get less H2PO4-

The table would look like this:

OH- + H2PO4- <-> HPO42- +H2O
before reaction:xa0-
after reaction:0a-xx-

x is the amount of NaOH you added
a is the amount of H2PO4- that was in the solution at first
« Last Edit: August 29, 2005, 07:05:42 AM by FeLiXe »
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Re:Titration Problem
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2005, 04:08:48 PM »
hmmmm my answer is 1,46 g  ???

there is the following equilibrium:

H2PO4(-) + H2O <--> HPO4(2-) + H3O(+)

Ka = [HPO4(2-)][H3O(+)]/[H2PO4(-)] = 6,2 x 10^-8

--> [HPO4(2-)]/[H2PO4(-)] = 6,2 x 10^-8 / 10^-7,4 = 1,55737

we started with 60 mmol H2PO4(-) after reaction there is left 60 - x mmol H2PO4(-) and x mmol HPO4(2-) is formed

--> x / (60 - x) = 1,55737 --> x = 36,53849 mmol H2PO4(-) had reacted with OH(-) thus we need 36,53849 * M(NaOH)/1000 = 1,46 g NaOH
« Last Edit: August 29, 2005, 04:34:21 PM by sdekivit »

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Re:Titration Problem
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2005, 04:51:13 PM »
hmmmm my answer is 1,46 g  ???

1.47g here - so the answer given to Claudia must to be wrong.

The difference (1.46/1.47) is neglectable and is probably due to used pKa2 value and due to the fact that I am using precise molar masses (not that I am so precise, they are just built into my programs).
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