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Biochemistry pH questions
« on: February 15, 2011, 12:39:14 PM »
I've been stuck on these for an hour and a half now! *delete me* I will be so grateful :)

Make up l liter of 0.0l M sodium acetate buffer at pH 4.5. The pKa of acetic acid is 4.7. Calculate the grams of anhydrous sodium acetate (m.w. 82) and number of milliliters of glacial acetic acid (m.w. 60; specific density 1.049 g/mL) required. By the way, what is the molarity of glacial acetic acid?
I know that this one requires the HH equation, just not sure how to use it...

If 10 mL of an acid at 0.09 M gave rise to a solution of pH 5.9 when mixed with 20 mL of 0.15 M potassium salt of itself, what is the pKa of this acid?

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Re: Biochemistry pH questions
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2011, 12:53:02 PM »
HH-equation

pH = pKa + log ((cA-)/c(HA))

pH = 4,5
pKa = 4,7

0.01 M buffer means 0,6 g/l Acetic acid and 0,82 g/l sodiumacetate

Calculate with this.

-0,2 = log ((cA-)/c(HA))

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Re: Biochemistry pH questions
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2011, 12:57:11 PM »
Okay, I got that far. I figured out that the ratio [Base]/[Acid] = 1.585 using that, but I don't know where to go from there.

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Re: Biochemistry pH questions
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2011, 01:00:01 PM »
Okay, I got that far. I figured out that the ratio [Base]/[Acid] = 1.585 using that, but I don't know where to go from there.

Are you sure about that?

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Re: Biochemistry pH questions
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2011, 01:01:33 PM »
I think  you have to fix one variable, because we have 2 variables but only one equation.  

-0,2 = log ((cA-)/c(HA))
 
0,631 = (cA-)/c(HA)

0,631*c(HA) = (cA-)

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Re: Biochemistry pH questions
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2011, 01:24:47 PM »
That's all the information I was given! I saw what I did wrong, so now I have the ratio as [Base]/[Acid] = .631

I don't understand how you got this: 0.01 M buffer means 0.6 g/l Acetic acid and 0.82 g/l sodium acetate

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Re: Biochemistry pH questions
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2011, 01:00:39 AM »
).01 M buffer means that combined concentration of both reagents is 0.01 M. Then you have a mathematical problem
of typy x/y = 0.631 and simultaneously x + y = 0.01
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Re: Biochemistry pH questions
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2011, 01:42:23 AM »
And this is soluoble.

Right 0.01 n is the combination of both acetate and acetic acid.

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Re: Biochemistry pH questions
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2011, 07:03:39 AM »
Could you check my work really quickly? So for the second one, it would be 5.9 = pKa + log (.15/.09)? I don't understand where the volumes would come in.

And for the first one, it would be 1.049 g/mL divided by 60g/mol? That gives me an answer in mol/mL, which is .017 mol/mL.
Then using the HH Equation: pH = pKa + log ([Base]/[Acid])
4.5 = 4.7 + log ([Base]/[Acid])
[Base]/[Acid] = .631
Where x = base and y = acid, x + y = .01, so y = .01 – x and x/y = .631
Therefore x = [Base] = .00387 M and y = [Acid] = .00613 M
So, 82 g/mol * .00387 mol/L = .317 g/L for sodium acetate AND 60 g/mol * .00613 mol/L = .368 g/L for acetic acid
Thank you so, so much!

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Re: Biochemistry pH questions
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2011, 07:11:45 AM »
For the second one, would it be this instead:
5.9 = pKa + log [(.15M/20mL) /(.09M/10mL)]

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Re: Biochemistry pH questions
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2011, 07:33:33 AM »
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60 g/mol * .00613 mol/L = .368 g/L

And with the specific gravity of 1,049 g/ml you get 0.35 ml/l
« Last Edit: February 16, 2011, 07:44:29 AM by Nobby »

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Re: Biochemistry pH questions
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2011, 08:40:31 AM »
So it should be 60 g/mol * .00613 mol/L / 1.049g/mL = .35 g/L for acetic acid ?

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Re: Biochemistry pH questions
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2011, 09:31:26 AM »
No.

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Calculate the grams of anhydrous sodium acetate (m.w. 82) and number of milliliters of glacial acetic acid (m.w. 60; specific density 1.049 g/mL) required

It will be 0,35 ml/l what means 350 µl/l

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Re: Biochemistry pH questions
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2011, 11:51:04 AM »
Okay, I see. Thank you so much!

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