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Boiling points
« on: March 31, 2011, 08:05:05 PM »
So when you have a mixture of two liquids like hexane and heptane, where the hexane-heptane intermolecular forces are similar to hexane-hexane and heptane-heptane intermolecular forces, the boiling point is in between their two boiling points. But what about something like acetone and water? Since the acetone-water intermolecular forces are now stronger than the acetone-acetone intermolecular forces at least, would that make the boiling point of the mixture higher than the boiling point of each separate liquid? Is there ever a time when the boiling point of the mixture is either higher than or lower than the boiling points of the liquids by themselves?

And kind of on a separate tangent, how do you know if a mixture is an azeotrope?

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Re: Boiling points
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2011, 01:04:38 AM »
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So when you have a mixture of two liquids like hexane and heptane, where the hexane-heptane intermolecular forces are similar to hexane-hexane and heptane-heptane intermolecular forces, the boiling point is in between their two boiling points.

I dont think so. If so we could not seperate these compunds by destillation. But Oil a mixture of carbonhydrogen compounds will be seperated by destillation.

Mixture of water and alcohol and others will have a new boiling point what gives the azeotrop.

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Re: Boiling points
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2011, 09:45:25 PM »
Mixture of water and alcohol and others will have a new boiling point what gives the azeotrop.

And others? How do you know which others?

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Re: Boiling points
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2011, 03:37:58 AM »
Organic Compounds with hetero atoms like Oxygen, Nitrogen, etc.

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Re: Boiling points
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2011, 05:20:31 AM »
So when you have a mixture of two liquids like hexane and heptane, where the hexane-heptane intermolecular forces are similar to hexane-hexane and heptane-heptane intermolecular forces, the boiling point is in between their two boiling points.

Yes. And it is a function of the mixture composition. Vapor composition is different than the composition of the liquid, that allows separation by distillation.

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But what about something like acetone and water? Since the acetone-water intermolecular forces are now stronger than the acetone-acetone intermolecular forces at least, would that make the boiling point of the mixture higher than the boiling point of each separate liquid? Is there ever a time when the boiling point of the mixture is either higher than or lower than the boiling points of the liquids by themselves?

Yes, thats an azeotrope, positive or negative.

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And kind of on a separate tangent, how do you know if a mixture is an azeotrope?

Depends on the strength of the interactions between molecules. But in general it is hard to tell without experiment.
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