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Offline Tayl

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Dissolving pennies in vinegar and salt solution
« on: August 14, 2011, 03:22:31 PM »
I'm not sure what forum this should go in

I recently put a few pennies in a water bottle with a vinegar and salt solution in it.

Now as far as I know, pennies are made of copper plated zinc, but I'm not a chemist so I don't know what's happening.

The pennies(I'll call them Cu, even though they're nowhere near completely copper) are dissolving in the vinegar(CH3COOH?)+salt(NaCl) solution

The sealed bottle is expanding with some sort of gas, can someone tell me what it is?

I'm sorry if this is completely obvious. I know nothing about chemistry

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Re: Dissolving pennies in vinegar and salt solution
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2011, 04:12:58 PM »
It sounds to me like it's hydrogen gas, from the acetic acid.
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Re: Dissolving pennies in vinegar and salt solution
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2011, 11:03:23 PM »
Edit: what gas would be produced when steel is dissolved in a vinegar + salt solution?

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Re: Dissolving pennies in vinegar and salt solution
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2011, 06:25:08 AM »
Well, mild steel won't react with a weak acid like vinegar to produce hydrogen, though it may combine and corrode, the same for copper..  If you had a stronger acid, like moderately concentrated sulfuric, or moderately concentrated nitric, you can expect hydrogen gas too.  Warning: stronger acids give different reactions.  Most likely, your penny experiment is the acetic acid in vinegar attacking the zinc core of a modern penny, seeping past the copper plating at a thin point, or crack, chip, micro-scratch, pore whatever.  So you should consider that experiment a reaction between zinc and acetic acid.
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Re: Dissolving pennies in vinegar and salt solution
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2011, 05:40:40 AM »
Well, mild steel won't react with a weak acid like vinegar to produce hydrogen, though it may combine and corrode, the same for copper..  If you had a stronger acid, like moderately concentrated sulfuric, or moderately concentrated nitric, you can expect hydrogen gas too.  Warning: stronger acids give different reactions.  Most likely, your penny experiment is the acetic acid in vinegar attacking the zinc core of a modern penny, seeping past the copper plating at a thin point, or crack, chip, micro-scratch, pore whatever.  So you should consider that experiment a reaction between zinc and acetic acid.
He is right, Cu is a very noble metal. Cu + 2H+ :rarrow: Cu2+ + H2 reaction won't work.
But same with Zn works.
Also if Cu was reacted, Zn would reduce it to Cu again.

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