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Ratio of Ions Left In Solution
« on: November 26, 2011, 03:35:11 PM »
A solution containing 1.0 M Al3+ and 1.0 M Cu2+ is buffered to a pH of 4.00. What is the ratio of the ions, Cu2+/Al3+, left in solution?

Ksp of Cu(OH)2=2.20*10-20
Ksp of Al(OH)3=3.00*10-33

Here's what I tried, but I got the wrong answer:
So at pH=4, [OH]-=10-10M.
So if you set 2.20*10-20=(1.0-s)(10-10-2s)2, s for Cu2+=1.242*10-10
And if you set 3.00*10-33=(1.0-s)(10-10-3s)3, s for Al3+=2.853*10-11

Then when I divided the first s by the second, I got 4.35, but the answer is 333, so is there somewhere where I went wrong?

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Re: Ratio of Ions Left In Solution
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2011, 04:28:33 PM »
2.20*10-20=(1.0-s)(10-10-2s)2

You are overthinking. Solution is buffered, which means final concentration of OH- is 10-4 M - it doesn't change during precipitation.
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Re: Ratio of Ions Left In Solution
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2011, 06:44:06 AM »
What is the pH of the unbuffered solution?

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Re: Ratio of Ions Left In Solution
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2011, 05:20:29 PM »

2.20*10-20=(1.0-s)(10-10-2s)2

You are overthinking. Solution is buffered, which means final concentration of OH- is 10-4 M - it doesn't change during precipitation.

So I redid it, and this time I did:

Ksp of Cu(OH)2=2.20*10-20
Ksp of Al(OH)3=3.00*10-33

At pH=4, [OH]-=10-10M.
2.20*10-20=[Cu2+](10-10)2, and s for Cu2+=2.2
3.00*10-33=[Al3+](10-10)3, s for Al3+=.003

2.2/0.003=733 though, not 333. Did I do something wrong again or did they probably mean 733 instead of 333?

What is the pH of the unbuffered solution?

How would the pH of the unbuffered solution help?

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Re: Ratio of Ions Left In Solution
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2011, 05:58:36 PM »
s for Cu2+=2.2

2.2M? In 1.0M solution?

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Re: Ratio of Ions Left In Solution
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2011, 10:00:22 PM »
s for Cu2+=2.2

2.2M? In 1.0M solution?



Oh! So you do 1/0.003=333, which is the answer! Wow, that completely caught me off guard, but thanks so much!  :)

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Re: Ratio of Ions Left In Solution
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2011, 07:32:41 AM »
What is the pH of the unbuffered solution?

How would the pH of the unbuffered solution help?

It wouldn't, it seems I've been clumsy on reading the text.  :-[

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