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original concentration of H2Se
« on: December 26, 2011, 01:44:25 AM »
Q. What concentration of H2Se is required to produce a pH of 1.93 ?
A. 0.81 kmol/m^3

H2Se ::equil:: HSe- + H+

10-1.93 = H+
0.0117 M = H+

Since H2Se is a weak acid, I need to make I.C.E table.
The equilibrium concentration of H2Se is x-0.0117.
So the original concentration of H2Se must be x.

I do not have the Ka provided for H2Se but many internet sources say the pKa is 3.89 which translates to 1.29 x 10-4.
Substituting into the eq expression, I get:

x = 1.07

which doesn't match the answer in the worksheet. What am I doing wrong ?

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Re: original concentration of H2Se
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2011, 04:31:56 AM »
which doesn't match the answer in the worksheet. What am I doing wrong ?

I can confirm 1.07M gives pH 1.93, assuming H2Se is a monoprotic acid with a given pKa. Neither of these assumptions has to hold.
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Re: original concentration of H2Se
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2011, 04:36:36 AM »
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Neither of these assumptions has to hold.

What do you mean by this ? and yes I did assume only Ka1 the first dissociation not the second. However I found another website which lists the Ka of hyrogen selenide as 1.7 x 10-4. However, I checked in the CRC handbook of chemistry and physics that the pKa of hydrogen selenide is 3.89 which results the same Ka as before not the new one. I don't understand which is right.

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Re: original concentration of H2Se
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2011, 05:36:49 AM »
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Neither of these assumptions has to hold.

What do you mean by this ?

Without knowing what the pKa value was used by the book authors you can't never be sure if the value you used for calculations is the same they used - so there is a possibility there is a difference between their result and your result. And not knowing what is the pKa2 value, you can't be sure it can be ignored.

It is not your fault - if they give an answer that you have to reproduce, they should also list input data used for calculations.
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Re: original concentration of H2Se
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2011, 05:42:46 AM »
the pKa2 value for H2Se is 11 by the way.

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Re: original concentration of H2Se
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2011, 07:16:11 AM »
the pKa2 value for H2Se is 11 by the way.

Which means it can be safely ignored. Do you know why?

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Re: original concentration of H2Se
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2011, 02:12:57 PM »
very low proton concentration resulting from the dissociation of HSe- so i guess the first dissociation of H2Se gives measurable amount of acidity ?

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Re: original concentration of H2Se
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2011, 06:48:20 AM »
very low proton concentration resulting from the dissociation of HSe-

Yes.

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so i guess the first dissociation of H2Se gives measurable amount of acidity ?

I suppose you mean that "only" first dissociation step is responsible for the observed acidity. It can be put that way.
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