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Expected Absorptions in H-NMR
« on: January 12, 2012, 03:09:21 PM »
Hi guys,

For the compound shown below, how many different absorptions in the H-NMR would you expect?

I said six of them, but for some reason my textbook says five?!

Please tell me who is right!

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Re: Expected Absorptions in H-NMR
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 03:17:37 PM »
Hi guys,

For the compound shown below, how many different absorptions in the H-NMR would you expect?

I said six of them, but for some reason my textbook says five?!

Please tell me who is right!

Thanks!

(Butan-2-ol)

Can you let us know how you have assigned the 6?

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Re: Expected Absorptions in H-NMR
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 03:53:13 PM »
Well the two methyls each have one distinct proton. The hydroxyl proton makes three, the proton adjacent to the hydroxyl makes four, and then the methylene has two chemically distinct protons as they are diastereotopic; they are adjacent to a chiral center.

So that makes six in total!

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Re: Expected Absorptions in H-NMR
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 04:13:59 PM »
Well the two methyls each have one distinct proton. The hydroxyl proton makes three, the proton adjacent to the hydroxyl makes four, and then the methylene has two chemically distinct protons as they are diastereotopic; they are adjacent to a chiral center.

So that makes six in total!

The text book may well be correct!
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Re: Expected Absorptions in H-NMR
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2012, 04:18:44 PM »
So I am wrong by saying six? Why?

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Re: Expected Absorptions in H-NMR
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2012, 06:52:50 PM »
Thanks Honclbrif.

The thing is, aren't the methylene hydrogens diastereotopic so I should see two distinct signals for those protons?

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Re: Expected Absorptions in H-NMR
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2012, 07:56:29 PM »
Thanks Honclbrif.

The thing is, aren't the methylene hydrogens diastereotopic so I should see two distinct signals for those protons?

They are diastereotopic but in this case the bonds can freely rotate so the protons are in an identical environment.
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Re: Expected Absorptions in H-NMR
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2012, 09:35:47 PM »

They are diastereotopic but in this case the bonds can freely rotate so the protons are in an identical environment.

Go to this http://www.chemistry.ccsu.edu/glagovich/teaching/316/nmr/couplingtopic.html and scroll to the bottom. It discusses diastereotopic protons, and in their example, the bonds can freely rotate as well.

Also, I said I expected 6, and not 5 distinct signals Honclbrif.

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Re: Expected Absorptions in H-NMR
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2012, 09:45:07 PM »
I apologize, a typo missed in the proofreading stage.

Anyway, seems like you've got it worked out.
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Re: Expected Absorptions in H-NMR
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2012, 01:51:12 AM »
Sorry my mistake.
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Re: Expected Absorptions in H-NMR
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2012, 07:47:29 AM »
Depending on the exact experiment you carry out, you may not see the OH proton that easily.

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