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master in chemistry
« on: February 09, 2012, 10:56:21 AM »
hi every body.
l am preparing for chemical test but i faced lots of problem? could u help me
. how do we know which of the compound is  threefold symmetry axis?

is there any chat in chemicsl subject?

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Re: master in chemistry
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2012, 11:08:32 AM »
If you can rotate it 180 degrees around all three axes (x,y,z) and it is exactly the same, it has threefold symmetry.

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Re: master in chemistry
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2012, 01:54:28 PM »
Thanx for the answer>
   the question is:
 
which of the following does not have a threefold rotational symmetry axis?
BCL3
CH4
NH3
CCLF3
CLF3
 with drawing to explain*-*

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Re: master in chemistry
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2012, 03:55:27 PM »
If you can rotate it 180 degrees around all three axes (x,y,z) and it is exactly the same, it has threefold symmetry.

No, this means it has 3 two-fold axes.

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Re: master in chemistry
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2012, 03:57:04 PM »
Thanx for the answer>
   the question is:
 
which of the following does not have a threefold rotational symmetry axis?
BCL3
CH4
NH3
CCLF3
CLF3
 with drawing to explain*-*

Can you draw the structures of all of these, or perhaps describe how you would determine shape?

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Re: master in chemistry
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2012, 04:16:21 PM »
Ah, I misunderstood the question.  Threefold symmetry is when the structure is the exact same each time you rotate it 120 degrees.

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Re: master in chemistry
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2012, 03:50:57 AM »

i think we ve first to draw VSEPR for the compounds
but i dont know how do we know the angles of threefold

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