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Rate Constants
« on: March 11, 2012, 02:51:11 PM »
A reaction has a forward rate constant of 2.3 x 106 and an equilibrium constant of 4.0 x 108. What is the rate constant for the reverse reaction?

Letting A, C, D, and E be arbitrary reactants and products, I have kf[A][C] = kb[D][E]. Solving for kb, I get kb = kf([A][C]/[D][E]). This can also be simplified into kb = kf(1/Keq), because Keq is equal to ([D][E]/[A][C]). Plugging in the values, I get kb = (2.3 x 106)(1/4.0 x 108), or 5.8 x 10-3. However, the answer key says this is wrong.

Can anyone point out where I went wrong?

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Re: Rate Constants
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2012, 04:06:03 PM »
A reaction has a forward rate constant of 2.3 x 106 and an equilibrium constant of 4.0 x 108. What is the rate constant for the reverse reaction?

Letting A, C, D, and E be arbitrary reactants and products, I have kf[A][C] = kb[D][E]. Solving for kb, I get kb = kf([A][C]/[D][E]). This can also be simplified into kb = kf(1/Keq), because Keq is equal to ([D][E]/[A][C]). Plugging in the values, I get kb = (2.3 x 106)(1/4.0 x 108), or 5.8 x 10-3. However, the answer key says this is wrong.

Can anyone point out where I went wrong?

I don't think you need the equilibrium constant, so that kb kf = 1

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Re: Rate Constants
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2012, 04:23:24 AM »
A reaction has a forward rate constant of 2.3 x 106 and an equilibrium constant of 4.0 x 108. What is the rate constant for the reverse reaction?

Letting A, C, D, and E be arbitrary reactants and products, I have kf[A][C] = kb[D][E]. Solving for kb, I get kb = kf([A][C]/[D][E]). This can also be simplified into kb = kf(1/Keq), because Keq is equal to ([D][E]/[A][C]). Plugging in the values, I get kb = (2.3 x 106)(1/4.0 x 108), or 5.8 x 10-3. However, the answer key says this is wrong.

Can anyone point out where I went wrong?

the answer key is wrong

unless additional details are given about the reaction
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Re: Rate Constants
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2012, 06:15:49 AM »
I believe the forward rate constant divided by the backward rate constant gives you the equilibrium constant so it is easy for you to solve for the equilibrium constant :)

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Re: Rate Constants
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2012, 10:03:16 PM »
I believe the forward rate constant divided by the backward rate constant gives you the equilibrium constant so it is easy for you to solve for the equilibrium constant :)

Your method gives my answer, which is incorrect on the answer key.

Thank you for your input, Ch_Olympiad_Winner. There is no other information given.

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Re: Rate Constants
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2012, 02:42:41 AM »
sure.
when everything else fails we must accept the possibility of a typo.

as qw098 said the problem is easy.

if "can't be determined from the info given" is not the answer then it is definitely a typo.
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Re: Rate Constants
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2012, 08:07:16 PM »
I like this problem. Your solution looks good. Where'd you find it? any more like it?

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Re: Rate Constants
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2012, 08:50:46 PM »
This is from the 1999 (or 2000? 2001? I forgot D:) USA National Chemistry Exam.

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Re: Rate Constants
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2012, 10:28:12 PM »
Oh cool. I'm studying for that also. Good luck

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Re: Rate Constants
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2012, 07:49:28 AM »
A reaction has a forward rate constant of 2.3 x 106 and an equilibrium constant of 4.0 x 108. What is the rate constant for the reverse reaction?

Letting A, C, D, and E be arbitrary reactants and products, I have kf[A][C] = kb[D][E]. Solving for kb, I get kb = kf([A][C]/[D][E]). This can also be simplified into kb = kf(1/Keq), because Keq is equal to ([D][E]/[A][C]). Plugging in the values, I get kb = (2.3 x 106)(1/4.0 x 108), or 5.8 x 10-3. However, the answer key says this is wrong.

Can anyone point out where I went wrong?

Could you give more info? units? answer key?...
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