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Solubility of CaF2
« on: March 28, 2012, 08:42:12 PM »
Consider the two equilibria

CaF2(s)  ::equil:: Ca2+(aq) + 2 F-(aq)  Ksp = 4.0*10-11

F-(aq) + H2O(l)  ::equil:: HF(aq) + OH- (aq) Kb(F-) = 2.9*10-11

Write the chemical equation for the overall equilibrium and determine the corresponding equilibrium constant. Determine the solubility of CaF2 at pH = 3.0.

I multipled the 2nd equation by two and added the two equations to get:

CaF2(s) + 2H2O(l)  ::equil:: Ca2+(aq) + 2 HF(aq) + 2 OH- (aq)
K=(2.9*10-11)2*4.0*10-11=3.364*10-32

So I suppose that 3.364*10-32=[Ca2+][HF]2[10-11]2, and then 3.364*10-10=[Ca2+][HF]2.

I know we want to find [Ca2+], but we don't know [HF], so how do we do that?


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Re: Solubility of CaF2
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2012, 04:29:15 AM »
Hydrolisis of fluoride you should take into account in water. You have an acidic solution.
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Re: Solubility of CaF2
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2012, 04:46:13 AM »
You need a mass balance.

Equation you derived is useless here, as at pH 3.00 about 1/3 of fluorine is present as F-.
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Re: Solubility of CaF2
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 06:13:08 PM »
@AWK: I suspect that this has to do with the mass balance that Borek mentioned, but I don't see from where exactly you got the [Ca2+]=0.5 ([HF] + [F-]) from. Could you or someone else elaborate a bit more please?

@Borek: If that is the case, why can't you just let [HF]=3*[F-] and then since [F-]=2s from the original Ksp equation, let [HF]=3(2s)=6s and [Ca2+]=s and substitute it back into this 3rd equation I derived:

CaF2(s) + 2H2O(l)   Ca2+(aq) + 2 HF(aq) + 2 OH- (aq)

Does that work too?

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Re: Solubility of CaF2
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2012, 06:37:13 PM »
You have an acidic solution. Forget about OH-.
Without hydrolysis Ca2+ = 0.5 [F-] - this come from CaF2 formula. After addition of an acid some F- will become HF. Then - still counting fluorine you have Ca2+ = 0.5 ([F-] + [HF])
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Re: Solubility of CaF2
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2012, 05:43:28 PM »
Thanks! That makes more sense now.

And as for forgetting about OH-, I don't mean to seem like I'm arguing, as I really appreciate the responses, but couldn't you still technically use 10-8, even though it's acidic?

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Re: Solubility of CaF2
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2012, 08:01:29 PM »
10-11, as pH+pOH=pKw.
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