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Water apsorbtion
« on: April 05, 2012, 09:01:18 AM »
A mixture of H2 and O2 (volume ratio is 2:3) is above water on 100kPa and 273K.One dm3 of water apsorbs 0.001935g of hydrogen and 0.07g of oxygen in standard conditions. Calculate the mass and the volume of O2 and H2 that were apsorbed in 1dm3 of water in the given conditions.
What to do here? Don't know where to start from.

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Re: Water apsorbtion
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2012, 10:55:28 AM »
What is the definition of "standard conditions"? How are the concentrations of H2 and O2 in your problem different from those standard conditions?

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Re: Water apsorbtion
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2012, 11:21:42 AM »
p=101.3kPa, T=273K. Don't understand.

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Re: Water apsorbtion
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2012, 11:45:10 AM »
Close, but not quite - when you are talking about the absorption of O2 at standard conditions, that would mean a pressure of 101.3 kPa of pure O2.

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Re: Water apsorbtion
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2012, 12:10:56 PM »
I came to this idea:
pV=mRT/M from here I can calculate separately the volume of H2 and O2 that are apsorbed in water by s.c. From p1V1=p2V2 I could calulate the volume of the apsorbed gasses on 100kPa and 273K. And with pV=nRT I can calulate the mass of both H2 and O2 that are apsorbed on 100kPa. But, I didn't use the volume ratio that is given. Where have I mistaken?

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Re: Water apsorbtion
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2012, 08:35:50 PM »
Do you know Henry's law?

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Re: Water apsorbtion
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2012, 07:17:26 AM »
I know. So, from the info in the beggining of the problem, I can calculate the partial pressures of the gasses ( p(H2)=60kPa, p(O2)=40kPa). From Henry's law I get the mass of hydrogen: 60kPa/101.3kPa=m/0.001935g and similar for oxygen. To calculate the volume I have to use pV=nRT. Is this correct?

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Re: Water apsorbtion
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2012, 08:22:51 AM »
I know. So, from the info in the beggining of the problem, I can calculate the partial pressures of the gasses ( p(H2)=60kPa, p(O2)=40kPa). From Henry's law I get the mass of hydrogen: 60kPa/101.3kPa=m/0.001935g and similar for oxygen. To calculate the volume I have to use pV=nRT. Is this correct?
Made a mistake, the partial pressures of the gasses are: p(H2)=40kPa, p(O2)=60kPa. At the end I get the same result as in my book. Thanks for the help.

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Re: Water apsorbtion
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2012, 10:05:32 AM »
Need just one more.
1dm3 of water apsorbs 171.3cm3 of CO2 under standard conditions. Calculate the mass of CO2 that is apsorbed in 250cm3 of water ( T=273K, p=150kPa).
I need the mass of CO2 that is apsorbed under s.c. so I can use Henry's law then, but I can't get the right result (2.79g). The 250cm3 of water confuse me.

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Re: Water apsorbtion
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2012, 10:36:57 AM »
Could you show your calculations? That would make it easier to see what you are getting wrong. What results are you getting?

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Re: Water apsorbtion
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2012, 12:31:46 PM »
From pV=mRT/M  (V=171.3cm3) I can calculate the mass of CO2 that is apsorbed under s.c. I used Henry's law now, but I couldn't get the right result (got a very small result-0.000257g). I suppose that I am wrong because I calculate the mass apsorbed in 1dm3 of water but later I need to calculate the mass  of CO2 apsorbed under different conditions and in 250cm3 of water.

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Re: Water apsorbtion
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2012, 01:58:06 PM »
What are your units for R? I suspect it is a unit conversion that is giving you your initial very low number. What numbers (with units) did you plug in for P, T, R, and M?

Once you know how much material dissolves in 1dm3 of water, you just need to find the same ration to get the amount dissolved in 250cm3  -  (x grams)/(1dm3) = (y grams/250 cm3). You will need to do another unit conversion to get your dm3 and cm3 to match.

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Re: gas dissolution in water
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2012, 03:39:54 PM »
Please - change this atrocious spelling. My eyes hurt from reading it ;)

It is absorption.
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Re: Water apsorbtion
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2012, 03:35:56 AM »
Please - change this atrocious spelling. My eyes hurt from reading it ;)

It is absorption.
Oh, sorry ::) .
What are your units for R? I suspect it is a unit conversion that is giving you your initial very low number. What numbers (with units) did you plug in for P, T, R, and M?

Once you know how much material dissolves in 1dm3 of water, you just need to find the same ration to get the amount dissolved in 250cm3  -  (x grams)/(1dm3) = (y grams/250 cm3). You will need to do another unit conversion to get your dm3 and cm3 to match.
Didn't calculate well. From pV=mRT/M I get that m=0.336g. Using Henry's law I get: p1/p2=m1/m2 m2=0.498g in 1dm3 of water. In 250cm3 m=0.124g wich is lower than the right result (2.79g).

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Re: Water apsorbtion
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2012, 01:44:22 PM »
Hmmm - I'm getting essentially the same numbers you are. Possible problem with either the question or the answer?

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