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kinetics rates
« on: May 28, 2012, 12:40:35 AM »
When the reaction
CH3Cl(g) + H2O(g) →CH3OH(g) + HCl(g)
Was studied, the tabulated data were obtained. Based on thesedata, what are the reaction orders?
Initial Concentrations, M; Initial Rates,Ms-1
Exp       CH3Cl      H2O          Rate, Ms-1
1             0.100      0.100           0.182
2           0.200       0.200            1.45
3            0.200       0.400             5.81
A. CH3Cl: firstorder        H2O:first order
B. CH3Cl: second order   H2O: first order
C. CH3Cl: firstorder       H2O: second order
D. CH3Cl: second order   H2O: second order
Please EXPLAIN your answer. why is it  B instead of D??? i know it is first order H2O, but when I calculate the rate for CH3Cl i got 2nd order as well!!!

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Re: kinetics rates
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2012, 05:35:02 AM »
Don't believe atoms, they make up everything!

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Re: kinetics rates
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2012, 03:23:43 PM »
the reason this doesnt make sense is because there is no constant for the H2O so i cant get the rate of CH3Cl

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Re: kinetics rates
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2012, 03:45:12 PM »
I done this:

We know water is second order. (Thats what I calculated anyway)

What happens if we do:

rate1/rate2 = [CHCl3]a/[CHCl3]a+[H2O]b[H2O]b

0.182/1.45=0.01a/0.02a+0.01b/0.02b

ln 0.126 = ln 0.5a + ln 0.5b

-2.08/-0.69=-0.69a - 0.69b/-0.69

2.99 = a + b

We know b is second order, so we know b=2

3=a+2

a=3-2

Therefore a = 1

I dont know if this is the correct method, however, it makes sense mathematically.

(Incidently, I get the answer as C)
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Re: kinetics rates
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2012, 04:30:49 AM »
I done this:

We know water is second order. (Thats what I calculated anyway)

What happens if we do:

rate1/rate2 = [CHCl3]a/[CHCl3]a+[H2O]b[H2O]b

0.182/1.45=0.01a/0.02a+0.01b/0.02b

ln 0.126 = ln 0.5a + ln 0.5b

-2.08/-0.69=-0.69a - 0.69b/-0.69

2.99 = a + b

We know b is second order, so we know b=2

3=a+2

a=3-2

Therefore a = 1

I dont know if this is the correct method, however, it makes sense mathematically.

(Incidently, I get the answer as C)

How you got

rate1/rate2 = [CHCl3]a/[CHCl3]a+[H2O]b/[H2O]b
« Last Edit: June 02, 2012, 04:43:49 AM by juanrga »
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