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pKa1 of H2CO3
« on: August 07, 2012, 10:08:06 AM »
In some soda-water which has a pH of 5.65, only 0.2% of the dissolved CO2 is present as non-ionized acid. What is the pKa1 of H2CO3?

I suppose that the reaction is:
CO2+H2O :rarrow: HCO3-+H+
[H+]=2.24*10-6M
Don't know what to do now. I don't have the data of the concentration of CO2. How can the 0.2% help?

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Re: pKa1 of H2CO3
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2012, 03:59:28 PM »
I believe you are supposed to assume that any CO2 that dissolves will be present as H2CO3. The reaction that you've presented should have H2CO3 rather than CO2+H2O.

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Re: pKa1 of H2CO3
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2012, 04:29:12 AM »
Okay. Is the degree of dissociation 1-0.002=0.998? I tried to put this, but didn't get the right result (which is 3.77). So I need help here because the concentration of H2CO3 in unknown.

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Re: pKa1 of H2CO3
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2012, 06:19:36 AM »
perhaps it's 99.8% * 2.24*10-6M

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Re: pKa1 of H2CO3
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2012, 06:25:58 AM »
No, in that case it should be 2.24*10-6/0.998, but I don't get the right result.

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Re: pKa1 of H2CO3
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2012, 08:31:27 AM »
Raderford, can you please show your working?

I seem to be getting 2.95 when I assume Ka2 is not relevant (perhaps this is a poor assumption).
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Re: pKa1 of H2CO3
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2012, 11:04:38 AM »
Of course I can. I think that Ka2 has to be neglected, because it is not given in the problem (in the source that I got this problem from, it is always written what is required to solve given problems). Last time I was trying to solve this, I did the following:
Wrote the reaction:
H2CO3 :rarrow: HCO3-+H+
[HCO3-]=[H+]=2.24*10-6
I thought that α is 1-0.002=0.998
[H2CO3]=[H+]/α-[H+]=4.489*10-9
Now putting these values in the eq. constant expression:
k=2.24*10-6*2.24*10-6/4.489*10-9=1.1976*10-4
pKa=3.92, but it is 3.77 in the answer so I am probably wrong somewhere.

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Re: pKa1 of H2CO3
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2012, 02:56:15 PM »
Something is wrong in data (degree of dissociation should be  at least ten times less)
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Re: pKa1 of H2CO3
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2012, 04:51:14 AM »
When I put a smaller α, I get a bigger pKa, so I don't know what is wrong here, but something probably is.

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Re: pKa1 of H2CO3
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2012, 08:37:03 AM »
When I run your numbers through your equation, I get Dan's answer of 2.95 rather than your 3.92, but either way it isn't 3.77. I'm agreeing with AWK on this one.

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