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Offline Rutherford

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Oxygen replacement (esters)
« on: November 12, 2012, 12:50:25 PM »
This is about oxygen replacement. For example:
CH3COOH+CH3OH ::equil:: CH3COOCH3+H2O
a) Why is the oxygen atom from the alcohol on the ester? Why didn't the previous one remain in that position?

If the ester gets hydrolised by NaOH:
CH3COOCH3+NaOH ::equil:: CH3COONa+CH3OH
b)Why does the oxygen atom remain now in the acid (salt)?

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Re: Oxygen replacement (esters)
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2012, 01:03:30 PM »
The first follows logically from the mechanism.  The second... looks broken.

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Re: Oxygen replacement (esters)
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2012, 07:24:17 AM »
Why is it so in the mechanism?
How do you mean broken? I found this in a problem where it was asked will the isotope of oxygen from Na18OH be in the alcohol or in the acid salt after the hydrolysis.

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Re: Oxygen replacement (esters)
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2012, 10:49:30 AM »
I usually teach acyl substitution by way of a "cheater mechanism".  While this is not the actual mechanism, it does provide an easier way for students to predict products.  You should consult your textbook for the complete actual mechanisms.


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Re: Oxygen replacement (esters)
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2012, 11:10:38 AM »
Okay, I can accept this. What about question b)?

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Re: Oxygen replacement (esters)
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2012, 09:34:36 AM »
It goes by similar mechanism.  Of course you need to consider the acid/base properties of the acidic product in a basic solution.

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Re: Oxygen replacement (esters)
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2012, 09:47:27 AM »
It goes by similar mechanism.  Of course you need to consider the acid/base properties of the acidic product in a basic solution.


Which is what Wastrel meant by "broken". This mechanism would suggest that the oxygen should remain with the methyl group in both reactions, which I believe is in fact the case, but is not what is shown in part b above.

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