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Ozonolysis
« on: January 21, 2013, 09:33:27 AM »
I came across this question recently where I have to determine the products after each step.

After reaction with ammonia, Br gets replaced by NH2. I have never seen a reaction of ozone with amine so I am unable to proceed further.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

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Re: Ozonolysis
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2013, 09:46:49 AM »
I'm not sure it is ozonolysis (could be wrong though). What kind of reagent is ozone?

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Re: Ozonolysis
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2013, 09:48:53 AM »
What reacts with ozone? And find out that and you will realise what the ammonia does (it is not a displacement of bromine).
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Re: Ozonolysis
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2013, 10:17:53 AM »
Quote from: sjb
I'm not sure it is ozonolysis (could be wrong though). What kind of reagent is ozone?

Well, I should have chosen a better title for this thread. I realised it soon after posting the thread.
Ozone is an oxidising agent.

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What reacts with ozone? And find out that and you will realise what the ammonia does (it is not a displacement of bromine).

Why it does not replace Br?  ???
Ozone reacts with alkenes and alkynes. Do you mean that an alkene is formed after reaction with ammonia?

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Re: Ozonolysis
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2013, 10:20:28 AM »
Yes, exactly that.
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Re: Ozonolysis
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2013, 10:24:51 AM »
Yes, exactly that.

Thanks but can you please shed some light on why Br is not replaced by NH2?

Also, I am unaware of the action of BaO here. I haven't ever used this reagent.

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Re: Ozonolysis
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2013, 10:29:04 AM »
You don't say what form the ammonia is in, as a gas, concentrated solution?.
BaO probably destroys the ozonide, although I have never seen that reagent used for this purpose.
So you will end up with the di-aldehyde?
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Re: Ozonolysis
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2013, 10:32:30 AM »
You don't say what form the ammonia is in, as a gas, concentrated solution?.
BaO probably destroys the ozonide, although I have never seen that reagent used for this purpose.
So you will end up with the di-aldehyde?

The question doesn't mention anything about the state of ammonia.
I am not sure of the answer because I don't have the answer key.

Thanks for the help. :)

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Re: Ozonolysis
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2013, 11:39:03 AM »
You don't say what form the ammonia is in, as a gas, concentrated solution?.
BaO probably destroys the ozonide, although I have never seen that reagent used for this purpose.
So you will end up with the di-aldehyde?

Ahhh, that wasn't what I was thinking. I was going bromocyclohexane :rarrow: aminocyclohexane  :rarrow: 1-aminocyclohex-1-ene (perhaps via the imine, ozone acting as an oxidant), and then losing myself. Could the barium oxide be acting as a dehydrating agent (it's certainly used as a drying agent..?), so forming e.g. adipic anhydride from the diacid, or if you think it's the dial, an aldol condensation?

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Re: Ozonolysis
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2013, 12:04:59 PM »
As the ozonide is an oxidising agent I think the BaO decomposes the ozonide by forming BaO2. This would give the di-aldehyde as the product.

BaO2 reacts with water to give oxygen and BaO, what a surprise.
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Re: Ozonolysis
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2013, 05:27:33 AM »
I managed to get the answer key and it says that the final product is cyclohexanol. I don't see how this could form. ???

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Re: Ozonolysis
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2013, 05:31:08 AM »
Neither do I.
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Re: Ozonolysis
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2013, 05:34:38 AM »
Neither do I.

So di-aldehyde is the answer then?
Also, dialdehyde is not given as an answer in any of the options given with this question.

Can you provide me a link where I can understand the reaction of ammonia in different states? Thanks. :)

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Re: Ozonolysis
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2013, 05:42:40 AM »
Also, dialdehyde is not given as an answer in any of the options given with this question.

Can you post the options given with the question?
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Re: Ozonolysis
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2013, 10:16:54 AM »
I don't see how that can be the product from a prior oxidation reaction. If we leave out ammonia and ozone, then cyclohexanol may form to some extent.
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