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Acetone reaction scheme
« on: February 10, 2013, 12:24:54 PM »
I need help with solving the attached scheme. I know that Br2 with CH3COOH are used for alpha carbonyl substitution, but what for is used Br2 with CH3OH?

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Re: Acetone reaction scheme
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2013, 12:29:42 PM »
How about it forms a bromomethyl ketone, which is treated with a base and diethylmalonate, which after hydrolysis and acidification decarboxylates to give the product?
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Re: Acetone reaction scheme
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2013, 12:32:17 PM »
Okay, it's alpha carbonyl substitution again. Why are two isomeric products obtained (N and O)?

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Re: Acetone reaction scheme
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2013, 12:36:13 PM »
Presumably you get substitution at both of the methyl groups? Or di-substitution of one methyl group?
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Re: Acetone reaction scheme
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2013, 12:40:06 PM »
Is this the final product?

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Re: Acetone reaction scheme
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2013, 12:41:53 PM »
Could very well be correct!
As well as the mono-substituted product.

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Re: Acetone reaction scheme
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2013, 12:45:41 PM »
The problem is about cyclobutane compounds so all clues lead to this. I posted merely a part of the whole synthesis, so if I get stuck with the other parts I will feel free to post. Thanks very much disco.

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Re: Acetone reaction scheme
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2013, 02:27:54 PM »
Here is another scheme. The final product is the same compound A. What are OsO4 and NaIO4 used for?

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Re: Acetone reaction scheme
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2013, 02:38:16 PM »
Osmium tetroxide is used to produce diols from olefins. Usually it is used catalytic ally. The sodium periodate oxidizes it back to the tetroxide.
This is done because osmium tetroxide is very toxic and expensive, it is quite a volatile compound so this method reduces the quantities used.
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Re: Acetone reaction scheme
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2013, 08:17:15 AM »
Compound A is the same compound A in the previous scheme (I attached the compound image few posts before-the cyclobutane). It is not a diol, so maybe the periodate oxidized the diol to compound A, and as M is an olefin it should be methyl-cyclobutane, but how could it be obtained from compound L?

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Re: Acetone reaction scheme
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2013, 08:28:30 AM »
It is not a diol, so maybe the periodate oxidized the diol to compound A,

Yes, as well as acting as the stoichiometric oxidant in the osmium-catalysed dihydroxylation, periodate will oxidatively cleave the diol (periodate cleavage).

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and as M is an olefin it should be methyl-cyclobutane, but how could it be obtained from compound L?

I am confused by this. methylcyclobutane is not an alkene....

Assuming that your structure for A is correct (which I think it is), I would guess that M is:

C=C1CC(C(=O)O)C1


Also, from the first part, I think N might just be HBr.
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Re: Acetone reaction scheme
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2013, 09:43:43 AM »
I thought first time that N is HBr too, but N and O are isomers.

"I am confused by this. methylcyclobutane is not an alkene...."
I don't know what I was thinking about. Thanks for the correction.

Now, M is the compound you attached. Is K then 2-propen-1-ol?

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Re: Acetone reaction scheme
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2013, 10:45:55 AM »
Now, M is the compound you attached. Is K then 2-propen-1-ol?

Can you explain how you came to that conclusion?
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Re: Acetone reaction scheme
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2013, 10:52:34 AM »
How about it forms a bromomethyl ketone, which is treated with a base and diethylmalonate, which after hydrolysis and acidification decarboxylates to give the product?

Could you please explain why alpha substitution takes place? :)

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Re: Acetone reaction scheme
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 10:59:33 AM »
Now, M is the compound you attached. Is K then 2-propen-1-ol?

Can you explain how you came to that conclusion?

If M is the compound you draw, I thought that the KOH was used for elimination (dehydration, one -OH and -H left the molecule) and the H3O+ was used for transforming -CN to -COOH, then L is the attached compound. As L is made from cyano-ethene and K (addition of alkenes, one to another), K should be 2-propen-1-ol. Did I went wrong somewhere?

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