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Help with Organic Chemistry mechanism with NaOH?
« on: February 27, 2013, 07:18:47 PM »


I'm not sure how to solve this one :(

In my notes I have:

Deprotonation occurs at the alpha-C containing 2 hydrogens so that the reaction can go on to the alpha-beta unsaturated ketone via dehydration of the aldol addition product to form the aldol condensation product.

I don't what what's going on anymore

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Re: Help with Organic Chemistry mechanism with NaOH?
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2013, 07:23:35 PM »
What is the compound at under the scheme?
O=C(/C=C/C1=CC=CC=C1)C(C)C
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Re: Help with Organic Chemistry mechanism with NaOH?
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2013, 07:35:16 PM »
What is the compound at under the scheme?
O=C(/C=C/C1=CC=CC=C1)C(C)C

What i guessed it would look like :(

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Re: Help with Organic Chemistry mechanism with NaOH?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2013, 07:45:32 PM »
Well you missed out a complete ring.
OK the CH2 protons next to the ketone, one is removed by NaOH to give what?
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Re: Help with Organic Chemistry mechanism with NaOH?
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2013, 07:51:25 PM »
Well you missed out a complete ring.
OK the CH2 protons next to the ketone, one is removed by NaOH to give what?

The C is deprotonated...
OH- attacks one of the 2 alpha hydrogens on the first cyclic structure, and in the process, 2 electrons go to that carbon 2, which now possesses a negative charge...So I'm assuming it will attack something?

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Re: Help with Organic Chemistry mechanism with NaOH?
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2013, 07:54:55 PM »
You mean this structure
CC1CCC[CH-]C1=O.[Na+]?

Why is this "stable" and what will it attack?
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Re: Help with Organic Chemistry mechanism with NaOH?
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2013, 07:57:37 PM »
You mean this structure
CC1CCC[CH-]C1=O.[Na+]?

Why is this "stable" and what will it attack?

It's stable because of resonance...one of the bonds in the C=O bond can stabilize that negative charge and vice versa.

But that nucleophilic C will attack the aldehyde, right?
Particularly the carbonyl (C=O) on that aldehyde.

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Re: Help with Organic Chemistry mechanism with NaOH?
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2013, 08:02:00 PM »
Yes, both statements are OK. Now if it attacks the aldehyde carbonyl what product do you get?
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Re: Help with Organic Chemistry mechanism with NaOH?
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2013, 08:06:31 PM »
Yes, both statements are OK. Now if it attacks the aldehyde carbonyl what product do you get?

Ohhh :o
Ok ok! Can you hold on ooone second..imma draw you a full blown pushing mechanism because it's starting to make sense!!

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Re: Help with Organic Chemistry mechanism with NaOH?
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2013, 08:08:15 PM »
WOW, I'll wait.
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Re: Help with Organic Chemistry mechanism with NaOH?
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2013, 08:27:18 PM »
Yes, both statements are OK. Now if it attacks the aldehyde carbonyl what product do you get?

ok im back!!
This is what i did...



Is that right?

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Re: Help with Organic Chemistry mechanism with NaOH?
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2013, 08:33:10 PM »
I'm not sure if that's my final/major organic product though  :(

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Re: Help with Organic Chemistry mechanism with NaOH?
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2013, 08:33:38 PM »
Yes, That's ok, one thing it would be worth showing the resonance structures of the anion.
However, there is still one more step to go, what is it?
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Re: Help with Organic Chemistry mechanism with NaOH?
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2013, 08:42:00 PM »
Yes, That's ok, one thing it would be worth showing the resonance structures of the anion.
However, there is still one more step to go, what is it?

Alcohol condensation?

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Re: Help with Organic Chemistry mechanism with NaOH?
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2013, 08:47:00 PM »
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