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Claisen reaction
« on: February 12, 2006, 07:27:33 AM »
I was thinking about about synthetising malonic acid... something like this:

diethyl-carbonate + ethyl-acetate --(Claisen's reaction)--> diethyl-malonate
diethyl-malonate --(hydrolysis)--> malonic acid

could you tell me how fast would these two reactions go and how could I proove that I got malonic acid as a product... and how much diethyl-carbonate and ethyl-acetate should I use to avoid getting too much ethyl-acethylacetate (product of a competitive reaction between two molecules of ethyl-acetate)?

and, finally, can this diethyl-carbonate be bought somewhere or it's rare and expensive? :)

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Re:Claisen reaction
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2006, 02:46:37 PM »
the standard way is:

Chloro-acetic-acid + KCN
-> Cyano-acetic-acid

Hydrolisation: malonic acid

Math and alcohol don't mix, so... please, don't drink and derive!

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Re:Claisen reaction
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2006, 04:16:54 PM »
I would like to avoid using KCN as it's for educational purposes, and I hate those safety measures and so on... :)

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Re:Claisen reaction
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2006, 07:26:03 PM »
For a Claisen condensation you usually want about 2 or 2.5 equivalents of whatever base you are using (relative to ethyl acetate in this case) and then about 1.25-1.5 equivalents of carbonate.  A convenient base for a reaction like this is NaH.  You can run the reaction in dry THF and it would probably take about 3-12 hours, hard to say for sure.

Diethyl carbonate is a readily available commercial chemical and isn't very expensive.

Of course, malonic acid is also readily available and cheap.

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Re:Claisen reaction
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2006, 03:23:18 AM »
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