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3-BromoPropanal synthesis
« on: June 23, 2013, 07:33:53 PM »
hi,
Anyone knows how this reaction is done ?
Kinetics/catalyst/anything would be greatly appreciated. anything.

thou i don't think it's a One-Product-Yielding reaction, but this is all i got from a website.
Any other way you know to make this product, i'm here to hear about.

Please help me to make this compound : 3-BromoPropanal

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Re: 3-BromoPropanal synthesis
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2013, 05:43:16 AM »
You need to form an enolate of acetaldehyde with a strong base which reacts with your dibromomethane.

Probably using NaOH would work but you will most likely get a mixture of products. Maybe LDA would be better but this is much harder to work with.

The issue is that the acetaldehyde enolate will react with acetaldehyde and it will also react with your product so you want something strong enough to deprotonate the aldehyde and keep it deprotonated.
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Re: 3-BromoPropanal synthesis
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2013, 05:52:32 AM »
Do you know any other ways to make the product? any guess or something.
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Re: 3-BromoPropanal synthesis
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2013, 08:48:07 AM »
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Re: 3-BromoPropanal synthesis
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2013, 10:28:33 AM »
@OP, It is best if you show your attempt first, before asking for help.

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Re: 3-BromoPropanal synthesis
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2013, 03:39:13 PM »
@OP, It is best if you show your attempt first, before asking for help.
funny, I am asking how to attempt it.
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Re: 3-BromoPropanal synthesis
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2013, 03:46:35 PM »
Do you have a specific molecule which is your starting point? Or you just need to prepare 3-BromoPropanal and doesnt matter how?

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Re: 3-BromoPropanal synthesis
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2013, 04:00:46 PM »
@OP, It is best if you show your attempt first, before asking for help.
funny, I am asking how to attempt it.
Showing your attempt at a problem first is a rule of this forum.  Showing your attempt might be broadly interpreted to mean what papers have you read on the subject, or what types of scientific searching did you do.  Is this a homework problem, or is this a research assignment of some sort?  If the latter, why is it necessary to start with the compounds you did?
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Re: 3-BromoPropanal synthesis
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2013, 04:17:10 PM »
Do you have a specific molecule which is your starting point? Or you just need to prepare 3-BromoPropanal and doesnt matter how?
No, I need to prepare 3-BromoPropanal by any way possible.

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Is this a homework problem, or is this a research assignment of some sort?  If the latter, why is it necessary to start with the compounds you did?

I want to use it in one step of my multi-step synthesis.
it will be reacted with Phenylhydrazine to yield an indole with bromomethane being at C3 of indole.
No, not a homework.

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Re: 3-BromoPropanal synthesis
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2013, 04:24:59 PM »
Can you think of a route that involves reduction?  I am not saying that this would better than the route involving oxidation.

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Re: 3-BromoPropanal synthesis
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2013, 04:36:12 PM »
Could you brominate indole-3-carbinol with PBr3?

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Re: 3-BromoPropanal synthesis
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2013, 04:37:06 PM »
Can you think of a route that involves reduction?  I am not saying that this would better than the route involving oxidation.


Reducing what ?
like turning 3-Bromo-1-iodo-Propane to the desired aldehyde ?
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Re: 3-BromoPropanal synthesis
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2013, 04:41:31 PM »
The SN2 of the Fischer indole synthesis may competitively react at the Br via your proposed route.
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Re: 3-BromoPropanal synthesis
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2013, 04:42:49 PM »
Could you brominate indole-3-carbinol with PBr3?

 http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sigma/i7256?lang=en&region=GB

don't know whether it works or not, but as you may know indole is more reactive at C3 and by that being substituted, other carbons on benzene ring get more willing toward bomination.
tha's why i don't consider the starting with indole. but more preferably i wanna synthesis indole with bromine being in its desired position.

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Re: 3-BromoPropanal synthesis
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2013, 04:46:05 PM »
PBr3 will be selective towards the alcohol rather than the aromatic carbons.
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