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Offline Big-Daddy

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Cl substitution kinetics
« on: June 30, 2013, 04:52:45 PM »
The reaction Cl + CH4  :rarrow: HCl + CH3 has been studied by forming Cl atoms with a laser pulse in excess methane, and observing the concentration of HCl as a function of time.

(a) Show that the HCl concentration, [itex]c_{HCl}[/itex], varies with time t as

[tex]c_{HCl} = c_{HCl,t=\infty} \cdot (1 - e^{-k_1 \cdot c_{CH_4} \cdot t})[/tex]

where [itex]c_{CH_4}[/itex] is the methane concentration, [itex]c_{HCl,t=\infty}[/itex] is the concentration of HCl at t=∞ and [itex]k_1[/itex] is the rate constant.

(b) The following data apply to the reaction at 298 K with [CH4] = 1015 molecule cm-3.

t / ms, [HCl] / 1010 molecule cm-3
2, 0.57
4, 1.05
8, 1.74
12, 2.19
16, 2.46
∞, 3.00

Evaluate k1.

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I don't have a clue on the first part. Especially why there is no dependence on Cl's concentration.

On the second, I can obviously rearrange for k1 and plug in the values for a certain set, but we've been given 5 sets of data in addition to the t=∞ result, which to me suggests that we should use more than one. I get either 1.08·10-16 molecule-1·cm3·s-1 or 1.07·10-16 molecule-1·cm3·s-1 depending on which set I use, but a more advanced method is unclear to me.

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Re: Cl substitution kinetics
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2013, 10:22:23 PM »
Part (a):

There are some hints buried in there that tell you the way you should approach the problem.  For example:

where [itex]c_{CH_4}[/itex] is the methane concentration,

What approximation is this hinting at?

Your question here is really at the crux of the problem:

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I don't have a clue on the first part. Especially why there is no dependence on Cl's concentration.
Who says there is no dependence?  Let me give you a hint by asking a question of my own to you.  What is the relationship between the Cl concentration and the HCl concentration at any point in time?

Part (b):

This is easy if you are allowed to access data processing software and can do a fit.  A program like Origin will allow you to do this with no sweat.  I'm not sure what tools are at your disposal for solving this problem, though.
What men are poets who can speak of Jupiter if he were like a man, but if he is an immense spinning sphere of methane and ammonia must be silent?  - Richard P. Feynman

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Re: Cl substitution kinetics
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2013, 11:31:12 PM »
This is easy if you are allowed to access data processing software and can do a fit.  A program like Origin will allow you to do this with no sweat.  I'm not sure what tools are at your disposal for solving this problem, though.

Even manually, not too hard. Just rearrange, take logs and plot  a straight line.

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