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Can I make this from 1,4-diaminobenzene?
« on: October 02, 2013, 08:01:50 AM »
Hi,
I wonder if i can make this compound from 1,4-diaminobenzene?

1,4-diaminobenzene ---NBS---> dibromo-1,4-diaminobenzene ---suzuki coupling--> product?


Or are there any better ways to do so?
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Re: Can I make this from 1,4-diaminobenzene?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2013, 08:37:18 AM »
Oh no.. :-\
 I added 2  eqv. of NBS (catalyzed by NH4OAc in MeCN according to a paper of brominating aniline)to 1,4-diaminobenzene and the whole thing turned black immediately. Cannot obtain anyting

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Re: Can I make this from 1,4-diaminobenzene?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2013, 08:52:16 AM »
Do you think I can do a Hofmann–Martius rearrangement? by first alkylate the N atom on 1,4-diaminobenzene???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofmann%E2%80%93Martius_rearrangement

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Re: Can I make this from 1,4-diaminobenzene?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2013, 09:32:07 AM »
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Re: Can I make this from 1,4-diaminobenzene?
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2013, 09:37:38 AM »
Can you see now?

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Re: Can I make this from 1,4-diaminobenzene?
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2013, 10:52:44 AM »
It is showing up now.  There are others here with more synthetic experience than I have, especially with respect to aromatic rings.  However, I am curious whether or not you have considered and ruled out strategies involving Friedel-Krafts alkylations or acylations.  I could envision that it would take several steps.

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Re: Can I make this from 1,4-diaminobenzene?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2013, 11:33:47 AM »
Do you think I can do a Hofmann–Martius rearrangement? by first alkylate the N atom on 1,4-diaminobenzene???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofmann%E2%80%93Martius_rearrangement


If you try this with your 7 carbon chain alkylation will provide a mixture of mono and di-alkylated products. The best way to get a mono-alkyl product is reductive amination so you will need the aldehyde corresponding to your chain.
It may be better to start with 4-nitro aniline if it's available, work on the first amino group, then reduce the nitro to amine and repeat. That way you may get less side products?.
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Re: Can I make this from 1,4-diaminobenzene?
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2013, 04:28:39 AM »
I have some 4-nitroaniline that I might try to use them as starting material.
What I want to do is to add some alky chain(s) to the aroatic ring of the 1,4-diaminobenzene
Can I directly do Friedel Craft alkylation on 4-nitroaniline ?  And then reduce the nitro group to amine to get my product?

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Re: Can I make this from 1,4-diaminobenzene?
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2013, 06:22:51 AM »
No the ring is probably too deactivated.
Try the reaction you mentioned above.
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Re: Can I make this from 1,4-diaminobenzene?
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2013, 08:37:58 AM »
Do you mean I shall perform Hofmann–Martius rearrangement on an N-alkylated 4-nitroaniline ?

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Re: Can I make this from 1,4-diaminobenzene?
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2013, 08:50:20 AM »
Is this a question about obtaining the product or a question for an ochem class? If it is an ochem question, I suggest beginning with the most recent chemistry in class and/or your book.
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Re: Can I make this from 1,4-diaminobenzene?
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2013, 10:39:27 AM »
Do you mean I shall perform Hofmann–Martius rearrangement on an N-alkylated 4-nitroaniline ?

Yes, that's what I mean
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Re: Can I make this from 1,4-diaminobenzene?
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2013, 02:13:28 PM »
Would it be possible to acetylate the two amino groups, then add the two alkyl groups, then deacetylate? 

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Re: Can I make this from 1,4-diaminobenzene?
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2013, 07:43:54 AM »
Just make the corresponding amide or imine and reduce it.

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Re: Can I make this from 1,4-diaminobenzene?
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2013, 11:01:54 AM »
1,4-diacetamidobenzene is a known compound.  The question is whether one can control the number and regiochemistry of alkyl or acyl groups that one would add to it.  The removal of the acetyl groups could be done with 6 M HCl at elevated temperature.  I don't have anything against disco's route; I am just thinking out loud.
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