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Re: What is wrong with this synthesis?
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2013, 12:05:18 PM »
I used a mixture of procedures, but it was basically oxidation of the alcohol with KMnO4 while keeping it cool enough so the ketone would be produced. Then the addition of NaOH and benzaldehyde. Then added 1-propanol with more NaOH, a lot of NaOH was used because I didn't have a concentrated form on hand, just a diluted form. It was about equal amount of reagents except with an excess of NaOH.

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Re: What is wrong with this synthesis?
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2013, 12:09:10 PM »
Archer's suggestion is certainly viable.
However, with excess NaOH I think the hemiacetal will just reverse back to the ketone.
As I said with the information you have provided it is nearly impossible to suggest a reasonable structure for any product you have isolated.

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Re: What is wrong with this synthesis?
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2013, 12:11:41 PM »
understandable, what would be the most reasonable product using this sort of synthesis and what quantities of reagents (approx) would have to be used.  Would it be the 2,5-dibenzalcyclopentanone?

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Re: What is wrong with this synthesis?
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2013, 12:14:01 PM »
Or what would be a good next step after the 2,5-dibenzalcyclopentanone

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Re: What is wrong with this synthesis?
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2013, 12:16:23 PM »
What product are you aiming to get? The hemi-acetal? Because you will probably not be able to make that.
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Re: What is wrong with this synthesis?
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2013, 12:20:38 PM »
I think I am just going to stop at the 2,5-dibenzalcyclopentanone and boil off the other products.

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Re: What is wrong with this synthesis?
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2013, 12:22:01 PM »
If that is indeed the product. Try and find its melting or boiling point from the literature.
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Re: What is wrong with this synthesis?
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2013, 12:25:52 PM »
2,5-dibenzalcyclopentanone

The correct nomenclature is 2,5-dibenzylidenecyclopentanone

What is it exactly that you are trying to achieve in this series of experiments?
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Re: What is wrong with this synthesis?
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2013, 12:28:56 PM »
So it is a solid. See if you can get anything to crystallise.
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Re: What is wrong with this synthesis?
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2013, 12:30:20 PM »
It was supposed to be a synthesis project, but what I was looking to achieve would not be ideal, so seems like I am having to adjust.

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Re: What is wrong with this synthesis?
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2013, 12:32:31 PM »
Archer's suggestion is certainly viable.
However, with excess NaOH I think the hemiacetal will just reverse back to the ketone.

I agree, I have never seen a hemiacetal made in this way unless it was part of a cyclysation reaction.
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Re: What is wrong with this synthesis?
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2013, 12:34:09 PM »
It was supposed to be a synthesis project, but what I was looking to achieve would not be ideal, so seems like I am having to adjust.

What is the point in your synthesis project though? does this molecule have an application or are you just playing with the reagents at your disposal?
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Re: What is wrong with this synthesis?
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2013, 12:36:08 PM »
It was supposed to be a synthesis project, but what I was looking to achieve would not be ideal, so seems like I am having to adjust.


This is not a synthesis project it is alchemy.
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Re: What is wrong with this synthesis?
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2013, 12:36:23 PM »
pretty much playing with reagents at my disposal.

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