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Offline Hayao

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π interactions
« on: March 07, 2014, 04:07:54 AM »
Does anyone know a good textbook that explains the properties and physics of various π interactions such as π-π (Displaced, T stack), CH-π, π-X, π-M+, etc?

I am currently working on a research that has to do with intramolecular π interactions, and I want to know a lot about it, for example, minimum and maximum effective distance, minimum and maximum effective angles, and etc. as well as other factors that affect it such as electron density.

It is more favorable if it contains photophysical properties of π interactions, such as how π-π stacking could cause redshift in absorption spectroscopy and etc.


Although I searched it myself at first, I couldn't find a good one. I live in Japan so textbook needs to be available in Japan, but I don't care which language it is (English or Japanese).

Thank you guys!

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Re: π interactions
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2014, 11:57:57 PM »
I don't think you're likely to find this kind of stuff in a widely-circulated textbook.  You might check out Modern Molecular Photochemistry by Turro, but this might even be too specific for that (don't have my copy handy, so can't check). Probably better off scouring the primary literature, as there are a number of studies that have explored this.  I might have even authored one or two of them. :)

Just for kicks I checked Wikipedia and there's actually a page related to this.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacking_(chemistry)

A google search turns up a few hits:

http://www.jbc.org/content/273/25/15458.full
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja111320n
http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic776365.files/lecture%2030.pdf
 
Other topics you might want to look at include excimer/exciplex formation and J- and H-aggregation.
I'm willing to try to help with any other specific questions you have.
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Re: π interactions
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2014, 11:50:20 AM »
There are some who dislike the term "pi-stacking" and think that it is commonly misused in the textbooks and the literature:

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2012/sc/c2sc20045g

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Re: π interactions
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2014, 09:14:43 PM »
I don't think you're likely to find this kind of stuff in a widely-circulated textbook.  You might check out Modern Molecular Photochemistry by Turro, but this might even be too specific for that (don't have my copy handy, so can't check). Probably better off scouring the primary literature, as there are a number of studies that have explored this.  I might have even authored one or two of them. :)

Just for kicks I checked Wikipedia and there's actually a page related to this.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacking_(chemistry)

A google search turns up a few hits:

http://www.jbc.org/content/273/25/15458.full
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja111320n
http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic776365.files/lecture%2030.pdf
 
Other topics you might want to look at include excimer/exciplex formation and J- and H-aggregation.
I'm willing to try to help with any other specific questions you have.
Thanks!

Actually, that textbook will do. I major in photochemistry, and photophysics of pi interaction is one of my research. That textbook is probably the textbook I am looking for. More specific it is, the better.





There are some who dislike the term "pi-stacking" and think that it is commonly misused in the textbooks and the literature:

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2012/sc/c2sc20045g
This was very helpful in understanding pi-stacking. Thanks!

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