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Dropped and added letters nomenclature question.
« on: April 22, 2014, 10:04:20 PM »
I'll see things where hex- will become hexa- and -ene will become just -en. I assume the purpose of this is to make the names less cumbersome to say, but I don't know.

Is there a big list somewhere that has all these things on them, for reference?

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Re: Dropped and added letters nomenclature question.
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2014, 11:08:38 PM »
Have you a concrete example. I know that in German the last e in ene is dropped. That is hexane becomes hexan and hexene becomes hexen. 
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Re: Dropped and added letters nomenclature question.
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2014, 11:44:23 PM »
Like ethanol - why isn't it ethaneol?

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Re: Dropped and added letters nomenclature question.
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2014, 02:04:31 AM »
That is the convention. In English I don't think you can put two vowels together.
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Re: Dropped and added letters nomenclature question.
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2014, 02:07:22 AM »
So if you end up with two vowels together, which do you drop? Is there some rule to it, or is it just convention?

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Re: Dropped and added letters nomenclature question.
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2014, 04:03:18 AM »
In this case the "e" is dropped. No doubt there is an complete english grammar available on the internet, a google search may be worth it.
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Re: Dropped and added letters nomenclature question.
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2014, 09:51:33 AM »
English words have two vowels all the time... e and then a is all the time

Leaves..great..tease...mean..lean

bee..been..seen..

u then i

distinguish

But my favorite is areola ...that is e then o
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Re: Dropped and added letters nomenclature question.
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2014, 09:54:10 AM »
Im sorry a little humor to start the day...

To answer the question though:  I have no answer.  Never really stopped to think why.  I think the reason that you are asking these questions is the reason that IUPAC was created.  To put a stop to people from other backrounds convoluting  the science just because of nomenclature.   

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Re: Dropped and added letters nomenclature question.
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2014, 11:21:37 AM »
English words have two vowels all the time... e and then a is all the time

Leaves..great..tease...mean..lean

bee..been..seen..

u then i

distinguish

But my favorite is areola ...that is e then o


Just testing you:)
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Re: Dropped and added letters nomenclature question.
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2014, 04:53:24 PM »
Hmm, interesting.
Thanks!
I wonder if the letter dropping/adding is actually part of IUPAC, of if it's just colloquial. Either way, while a chart would be nice, I've come to realize that - at least for me, a native English speaker - it's not really necessary.

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