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Offline moop1

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Acid and conjugate base.
« on: May 10, 2014, 06:16:25 PM »
Hi, I was wondering, if I have an acid like :

NH2NH33+

and it asks me the conjugate base, where am I supposed to place the H+ ???

Or if I have the base :

HCOO- and it asks me what is the conjugate acid, how do I know if I must place the positive hydrogen at the beginning or at the end ?

Thank you!

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Re: Acid and conjugate base.
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2014, 12:38:23 AM »
NH2NH33+

and it asks me the conjugate base, where am I supposed to place the H+ ???
Did you ask what you wanted to ask?

Or if I have the base :

HCOO- and it asks me what is the conjugate acid, how do I know if I must place the positive hydrogen at the beginning or at the end ?
Inorganic acids usually have the acidic protons at the begginning of their formula. Organic acids usually have them at the end. It may be confusing. Try drawing the HCOO- and it should no longer be a problem.
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Re: Acid and conjugate base.
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2014, 12:52:51 AM »
Hi, I was wondering, if I have an acid like :

NH2NH33+

and it asks me the conjugate base, where am I supposed to place the H+ ???

Or if I have the base :

HCOO- and it asks me what is the conjugate acid, how do I know if I must place the positive hydrogen at the beginning or at the end ?

Thank you!

your acid should be NH2NH3+ and its conjugate base would be NH2NH2 ie by eliminating one H+
Again the conjugate acid of the base HCOO- should be HCOOH by adding one H+



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Re: Acid and conjugate base.
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2014, 01:07:28 AM »
Why isn't it like : NH1NH3 ???

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Re: Acid and conjugate base.
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2014, 04:38:42 AM »
Why isn't it like : NH1NH3 ???

This molecule would be actually -HNNH3+ - with negative charge on one end, and positive on the other. While there are molecules that behave this way (they are called zwitterions), they are never symmetrical. This one has a symmetrical, much more stable from H2NNH2.
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Re: Acid and conjugate base.
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2014, 04:41:17 AM »
Why isn't it like : NH1NH3 ???

Can you draw a Lewis structure for this? Whilst not completely wrong (there may be a very very small amount of this around), for all intents and purposes NH2NH2 is probably more realistic

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