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Help with Miyaura borylation reaction
« on: January 28, 2015, 09:25:03 AM »
Now I'm working on borylation reaction. For my reactant, I have two bromo group on para position.
I used bis(pinacolato)diboron, Pd(dppf)2Cl2, potassium acetate, and oxygen free DMF, the reaction was carried at 80 degrees and under N2 atmosphere. However, the main product was substituted by methyl group on both side.
(I'm not sure if i get any boronic ester substituted compound yet.)

Any thought about why the side reaction went so well?


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Re: Help with Miyaura borylation reaction
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2015, 10:14:13 AM »
Your description is confusing, can you draw a scheme please?
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Re: Help with Miyaura borylation reaction
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2015, 03:02:13 PM »
I've done this reaction with several different substrates and never seen that... where are you getting the methyl boron species that gets coupled?
Double check all your starting material purities, something seems off.
When in doubt, avoid the Stille coupling.

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Re: Help with Miyaura borylation reaction
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2015, 09:55:56 AM »
Sorry for the misleading. I drew my reactant in a more specific way this time. Actually the borylation of both side can be done when using dioxane as solvent. However if I used DMF, i only got the compound as draw below.

And according to Miyaura's paper, higher polarity solvent tend to give good yield, so i'm confused about the result now.   

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Re: Help with Miyaura borylation reaction
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2015, 12:44:16 PM »
Hrmm... in general I avoid using DMF when I need to heat it up very much.  It tends to decompose and is probably the source of your random methyl groups that are getting attached.  Why don't you want to use dioxane?
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Re: Help with Miyaura borylation reaction
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2015, 08:12:28 AM »
Dioxane works, but with low yield. I was just thinking  if I can make the yield higher with different solvent.  Thanks for your reply, I never considered  DMF might decompose my compound.

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Re: Help with Miyaura borylation reaction
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2015, 05:39:15 PM »
There are other solvents compatible with pd coupling, though dioxane is the only one I've used for BPin. 
With dioxane, are you getting decomposition/side reactions?
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Re: Help with Miyaura borylation reaction
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2015, 01:42:19 AM »
I'm guessing I have dehalogenation as side reaction, not really sure about that.
Besides, the product seems to decompose on TLC plate, I guess it's not stable.

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Re: Help with Miyaura borylation reaction
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2015, 08:06:27 AM »
Dehalogenated products shouldn't decompose on silica, though if I was going to run a Pd mediated dehalogenation I would probably use DMF :P
So you get complete conversion of the starting material to mostly an unknown product that isn't acid stable + some desired product?  What other functional groups do you have on the molecule (I'm assuming you aren't using 1,4 dibromobezene without other functionalities)?
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Re: Help with Miyaura borylation reaction
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2015, 08:48:48 PM »
We don't have oxygen free dioxane, but we dry dioxane and use balloon filled with N2.
And after reaction, I still can observe starting material  on TLC. I'm not sure if it's because the solvent.
I have bromide at the end of R group and ether at the middle.

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Re: Help with Miyaura borylation reaction
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2015, 09:05:09 PM »
Starting material sounds column stable to me. Is it possible that your low yield with dioxane is because you have oxygen in your solution which would oxidise your catalytically active Pd[0]? To make a solvent oxygen free, you can degas it by bubbling N2 into it for a period of time. The dioxane needn't be dry, it just shouldn't have oxygen.

EDIT: Start with dry dioxane, I forgot to consider that the product could be activated by OH- and couple with the starting material if water is present. Sorry!

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Re: Help with Miyaura borylation reaction
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2015, 08:27:32 AM »
Agreed.  If your solvent has O2 that will kill your turnover, giving side reactions a better relative rate.   Especially for any organometallic chemistry you should as a general rule degas your solvent before use.  The notvoodoo site has a good writeup on the common ways:
http://www2.chem.rochester.edu/~nvdtest/test/pages/how-to.php?page=degas_solvents


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Re: Help with Miyaura borylation reaction
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2015, 04:07:28 AM »
When I said ''not oxygen free dioxane'', I mean we don't keep dioxane bottle in a glove box which has O2 content lower than 10ppm.

Before reaction, we purge N2 to the reactor, than evacuate by oil pump, repeat three times and start reaction.

Not sure if this is enough or we should have one bottle in glove box.

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Re: Help with Miyaura borylation reaction
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2015, 02:14:07 AM »
Do you mean you purge/evac the vessel without the solvent? Doing this would dry + remove O2 from the vessel but you will still introduce O2 into the vessel via the dioxane that you add thereafter from the bottle unless you perform one of the degassing methods.

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Re: Help with Miyaura borylation reaction
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2015, 10:28:00 PM »
Right, I should have added dioxane first than degas the vessel.
Thanks for all your advice, I'll try it again.

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