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Offline RVV

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Would you be so kind as to help me with understanding of notion of frustration in biomolecules in common?
I tried to translate articles (like http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4256721) but I can not grasp the essence. Very "frustrated"  :'(

I'm foreigner, so forgive me for my English and if I incorrectly chosen forum

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Re: Frustration in biomolecules and, particularly, in proteins
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2015, 03:24:10 PM »
I can only guess what translation problems you're having, but this is a pretty obtuse paper to start with.  A quick skim of the paper leads me to believe that the author may have even coined the term "frustration" to mean "computational difficulties in modeling biophysical phenomena."  But I don't know if anyone else has faced the same term.  It seems he's starting with an XKCD cartoon on a similar subject, so this may be a well known computing or mathematics concept.
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Re: Frustration in biomolecules and, particularly, in proteins
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2015, 03:33:18 PM »
Apparently, another term that can be used is "combinational optimism"  http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/173:_Movie_Seating
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Re: Frustration in biomolecules and, particularly, in proteins
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2015, 04:03:01 PM »
But what about http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3048099/ and "principle of minimal frustration" (from article "Protein folding" from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_folding)?
Also it is localised (also confused) in proteins: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3394345/  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2148382/

P.S.:I should to do presentation about frustration in proteins.
However thank You for answering!!!

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Re: Frustration in biomolecules and, particularly, in proteins
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2015, 09:14:00 AM »
Thank you for initiating this topic.  I suppose you will have to find more references to the minimal frustration principle from a variety of references, and see if you can build a complete discussion around it.

http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1430:_Proteins

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