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Offline Fito Tuok

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Bismuth Phosphate
« on: May 22, 2015, 04:10:54 PM »
Hi
I would like to ask you how to synthesize bismuth phosphate - BiPO4.
Since it's a salt, I wander if simple salt obtaining methods will work. Like:
Metal + acid = salt + H so Bi + H3PO4 = BiPO4 + 3H
or
Metal oxide + acid = salt + H20 so Bi2O3 + 2H3PO4 = 2BiPO4 + 3H20
Would 75% phosphoric acid work?
Or does it need to be done in another way?

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Re: Bismuth Phosphate
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2015, 05:33:12 PM »
Hi
I would like to ask you how to synthesize bismuth phosphate - BiPO4.
Since it's a salt, I wander if simple salt obtaining methods will work. Like:
Metal + acid = salt + H so Bi + H3PO4 = BiPO4 + 3H
No.
Look up the position of bismuth in electrochemical series...
oops, electrochemical series as a standard misses a lot of elements. Who presents the full electrochemical series?
Anyway, from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_electrode_potential_%28data_page%29
Ge4+ + 4 e    is in equilibrium with    Ge(s)    +0.12
SbO+ + 2 H+ + 3 e   is in equilibrium with    Sb(s) +  H2O    +0.20
H3AsO3(aq) + 3 H+ + 3 e   is in equilibrium with    As(s) + 3 H2O    +0.24    
Re3+ + 3 e    is in equilibrium with    Re(s)    +0.300
Bi3+ + 3 e   is in equilibrium with    Bi(s)    +0.308
Cu2+ + 2 e    is in equilibrium with    Cu(s)    +0.337

So: Bi, like Cu, Re, As, Sb and Ge, will not react with nonoxidizing acids like HCl or H3PO4

or
Metal oxide + acid = salt + H20 so Bi2O3 + 2H3PO4 = 2BiPO4 + 3H20
Would 75% phosphoric acid work?
Or does it need to be done in another way?

Could be.
Phosphoric acid is a medium strength AND tribasic acid and Bi3+ is a strongly hydrolyzed cation. Depending on the details of the solubilities of various Bi solid salts in concentrated phosphoric acid, you might end up with (BiO)3PO4, or Bi(H2PO4)3, or something else again...

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Re: Bismuth Phosphate
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2015, 04:05:44 AM »
I have found a cretin reaction on the web:
Bi(NO3)3 + Na3PO4 = BiPO4 + 3NaNO3
BiPO4 is suppose to be insoluble in nitric acid solutions, so participate should be formed.
So, should i solve some bismuth nitrate pentahydrate in 65% nitric acid, and then simply add to this solution Na3PO4? Will that work?

Can i use bismuth oxide for this process? Solve it in nitric acid and then add Na3PO4?

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Re: Bismuth Phosphate
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2015, 05:10:06 AM »
Any soluble salt of bismuth (of purity over 95 %) and any soluble phosphate or phosphoric acid in diluted nitric acid (HNO3) will work.
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