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Vital Y
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Naphthalene's pi SALCs
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February 19, 2016, 04:51:30 AM »
I tried obtaining the pi SALCs of naphthalene. I got the reducible representation as 2A
1u
+ 3B
1u
+ 3B
3g
+ 2B
2g
. I thought that if I considered the carbons (1,4,5,8) and (2,3,6,7) to belong to two D
4h
groups and the carbons (9,10) belong to a C
2
group, I could find the SALCs without the projection operator (The link is an image of naphthalene with the carbons in it numbered). I tried using D
4h
point group's D
2
sub group but the irreps do not have the same symmetry properties in the two point groups. Is there any way to obtain the SALCs of naphthalene without using the projection operator?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Naphthalene-numbering-2D-skeletal.png
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Re: Naphthalene's pi SALCs
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February 19, 2016, 09:20:53 AM »
Not that I'm aware of. What would be the point, anyway? The projection operator is easy to use, so why complicate your life by trying to use multiple symmetry groups?
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Vital Y
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Re: Naphthalene's pi SALCs
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February 19, 2016, 09:26:56 AM »
I find using the sub group approach easier. When calculating benzene's SALCs you can use the C
6
point group's character table and directly obtain them.
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Re: Naphthalene's pi SALCs
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February 19, 2016, 11:03:59 AM »
You are aware that naphthalene doesn't have D
4h
symmetry?
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Vital Y
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Re: Naphthalene's pi SALCs
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February 19, 2016, 12:10:43 PM »
Yes I am aware that it doesn't have D
4h
as its point group, but instead has D
2h
. My question is even if it possess D
2h
can we obtain its SALCs using the idea of dividing the molecule into regions and then finding those region's point groups.
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Re: Naphthalene's pi SALCs
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February 19, 2016, 01:42:54 PM »
Even if you could reduce the complexity of the problem in the way you are attempting to, the grouping {2,3,6,7} wouldn't belong to D
4h
anyway (they basically form a rectangle, not a square), so it's no surprise that your orbitals are not transforming properly.
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Vital Y
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Re: Naphthalene's pi SALCs
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February 19, 2016, 09:36:30 PM »
So does this mean that (1,4,5,8) and (2,3,6,7) belong to the D
2
group? How will we relate A
1u
, B
1g
, B
2g
, B
3g
with D
2
's irreps? B
2g
and B
3g
can be related to B
2
and B
3
of the D
2
point group, but I couldn't find a relation for A
1u
and B
1u
.
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Re: Naphthalene's pi SALCs
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February 20, 2016, 06:16:10 AM »
What you could try is to obtain the MO's of cyclodecapentaene in the symmetry of naphtalene and then use a perturbation approach to get to the MO's of naphtalene. I doubt that this is easier than doing it directly for naphtalene.
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