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Offline bigdog101

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Retrosynthetic analysis
« on: March 07, 2016, 02:52:42 PM »
Fairly new to retrosynthetic analysis and after some reading, I understand the concept and have managed to successfully design a forward synthesis for some simple target molecules. However, there is a target molecule that I'm having trouble with. Any advice/help for the following would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Retrosynthetic analysis
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2016, 02:54:52 PM »
It is a forum rule that you must show your attempt first before we can help you.  A good place to start might be to discuss what you know about ortho/para- versus meta-directing substituents.

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Re: Retrosynthetic analysis
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2016, 03:28:10 PM »
Well when there is a benzene ring with some substituent present then there are different possible structural isomers. Adjacent groups are referred to as ortho-configuration, one carbon further meta-configuration and opposite sides of the ring is para-configuration. If I remember correctly, electron donating groups are ortho/para directing groups and electron withdrawing are meta directing groups.

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Re: Retrosynthetic analysis
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2016, 04:08:50 PM »
Is chlorine o,p-directing or m-directing?

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Re: Retrosynthetic analysis
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2016, 04:31:55 PM »
o,p-directing as it donates electrons

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Re: Retrosynthetic analysis
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2016, 05:29:19 PM »
OK, so if you started with benzene and added substituents could you chlorinate first, and then add another group?

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Re: Retrosynthetic analysis
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2016, 06:16:01 PM »
yes?

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Re: Retrosynthetic analysis
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2016, 06:18:33 PM »
No.  Based on our conversation so far, why not?

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Re: Retrosynthetic analysis
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2016, 06:36:57 PM »
Can you explain please. I don't know if it's because I've been sat at my laptop for the past 8 hours but I'm a bit brain dead  ???

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Re: Retrosynthetic analysis
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2016, 06:51:38 PM »
If you add chlorine to benzene first, the next group is directed to an ortho or para position.  The two groups in your target have a meta relationship.

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Re: Retrosynthetic analysis
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2016, 07:08:04 PM »
Thanks, understood. In that case, am I right in saying that the first disconnection would be N(CH3)2 ?

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Re: Retrosynthetic analysis
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2016, 07:20:30 PM »
If you mean that you plan to add that group last, then that sounds reasonable.  How will you do so?

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Re: Retrosynthetic analysis
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2016, 07:08:01 AM »
So if I'm correct the disconnection of N(CH3)2 will give the two synthons shown but I'm unsure as to what the synthetic equivalents will be? would a H on the N and a Cl on the carbocation work?

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Re: Retrosynthetic analysis
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2016, 07:51:33 AM »
Well it could work. Then the question is, how do you prepare that ?

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Re: Retrosynthetic analysis
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2016, 09:05:13 AM »
An acyl chloride?

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