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Question about Pauling's first and second rules for pKa
« on: July 02, 2016, 03:32:14 PM »
The following is a past paper question:

1. Write equations illustrating successive acid-base equilibria and the dissociation constants, K for sulphuric acid.
2. Draw the structure and hence predict pKa1.
3. Using Pauling’s rules predict the successive pKa's of H2SO4.


For the first question my answer was:

[tex]H_{2}SO_{4} \leftrightharpoons H^{+} + HSO_{4}^-[/tex]
[tex]K= \frac{H^{+} + HSO_4^- } {H_{2}SO_{4}}[/tex]

For question 2, I made the structure and used pauling's first rule to predict the pKa1 which was:

[tex]pK_{a} \approx 8 - 5p[/tex] (where p is the number of oxoacids attached to central element)

So my anwer was= [tex] pK_{a} \approx 8 - (5 \times 2)= -2[/tex]

How do I predict for successive pKa's? I remember reading that to solve this you use paulings second rule which is "successive pka values for acids increase by five units for each successive proton transfer". What does that exactly mean?

Would I be right to assume that this means each successive pKa value increases by five approximately?  I know how to calculate pKa1 but how do I calculate pKa2. Do I simply just add five?

Lastly H2SO4 has two successive pKa values pKa1 and pKa2 and H3AsO4 has three successive pKa values which are pKa1 pKa2 pKa3 is the amount of successive pka based of the number of hydrogen's right? Thank You
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Re: Question about Pauling's first and second rules for pKa
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2016, 04:08:58 AM »
[tex]K= \frac{H^{+} + HSO_4^- } {H_{2}SO_{4}}[/tex]

Sum in the numerator?

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[tex]pK_{a} \approx 8 - 5p[/tex] (where p is the number of oxoacids attached to central element)

Oxoacids?

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How do I predict for successive pKa's? I remember reading that to solve this you use paulings second rule which is "successive pka values for acids increase by five units for each successive proton transfer". What does that exactly mean?

Would I be right to assume that this means each successive pKa value increases by five approximately?

Yes, that's what it means.

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Lastly H2SO4 has two successive pKa values pKa1 and pKa2 and H3AsO4 has three successive pKa values which are pKa1 pKa2 pKa3 is the amount of successive pka based of the number of hydrogen's right?

I assume there is a period after pKa3? Only hydrogens from X-OH groups (where X is the central atom) are acidic. There are some examples of oxoacids where the hydrogen is bonded directly to X and then it doesn't dissociate.
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Re: Question about Pauling's first and second rules for pKa
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2016, 10:58:06 AM »
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Sum in the numerator?

Is this better:

[tex]K = \frac{[H^{+}][H_2{}SO_4^-]}{[H_{2}{}SO_4]}[/tex]

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Oxoacids?

Sorry it shoud be number of oxo groups not oxoacids.


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Yes, that's what it means.

So pka1 = -2, and pKa2 = 5

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Lastly H2SO4 has two successive pKa values pKa1 and pKa2 and H3AsO4 has three successive pKa values which are pKa1 pKa2 pKa3 is the amount of successive pka based of the number of hydrogen's right?

I assume there is a period after pKa3? Only hydrogens from X-OH groups (where X is the central atom) are acidic. There are some examples of oxoacids where the hydrogen is bonded directly to X and then it doesn't dissociate.


Thank You
« Last Edit: July 03, 2016, 11:11:53 AM by earthnation112 »

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