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Offline Sach

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Coupling of thiophenes
« on: November 08, 2017, 01:56:04 PM »
I am currently working on a project of organic chemistry (like some of you already know). I got the task to make a large molecule by coupling thiophenes. Molecule 1, the protected aminothiophene,(in the attachment) is what I start with. In the attachment you can also find the proposal I have (making 2-bromo thiophene, followed my preparation of a grignard reagens and then coupling the thiophenes to each other).
Any remarks, advice or other proposals are more than welcome.

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Re: Coupling of thiophenes
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2017, 02:04:22 PM »
Can't make a grignard in the presence of that carbamate. Pathway is no good.

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Re: Coupling of thiophenes
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2017, 02:28:41 PM »
You could substitute  the 2,5-dibromothiophene with thiophene-2,5- di-boronic acid and use the 2-bromo-3-Cbz-amino-thiophene as is using Pd(0) catalysis. I dont know if you can buy thiophene-2,5-di-boronic acid.

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Re: Coupling of thiophenes
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2017, 03:24:31 PM »
Rolnor, you're better than that

http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/aldrich/470317?lang=en&region=US

first thing that popped up for googling "thiophene-2,5-di-boronic acid." It can also be made without too much trouble I bet (scifinder away).

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Re: Coupling of thiophenes
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2017, 03:39:11 PM »
Thank you for the quick reply guys.
Rolnor, do you mean the reaction I attached in the attachment?
Wildfyr, why is the making of a grignard not possible in presence of that carbamate?

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Re: Coupling of thiophenes
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2017, 04:06:33 PM »
Grignards react with carbonyls. A carbamate has a carbonyl.

And to fill in for Rolnor, you are missing a bromine at the 1 position on your thiophene-2-carbamate to do the proposed Suzuki coupling.

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Re: Coupling of thiophenes
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2017, 04:18:21 PM »
Ooh ok, thank you.
Do you have a proposal by which I can couple thiophene to thiophene-2-carbamate?

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Re: Coupling of thiophenes
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2017, 04:35:34 PM »
... rolnor just proposed a method. Suzuki coupling.

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Re: Coupling of thiophenes
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2017, 04:41:16 PM »
Ooh ok but I don't understand why the reaction I proposed isn't correct?
I actually didn't understood your comment 'you are missing a bromine at the 1 position on your thiophene-2-carbamate to do the proposed Suzuki coupling.'
Thank you for your understanding.

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Re: Coupling of thiophenes
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2017, 04:52:29 PM »
Well what two partners do the coupling in a Suzuki coupling? Do you have those in the scheme you drew just now?

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Re: Coupling of thiophenes
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2017, 05:03:01 PM »
Ooh yeah I get it. The thiophene carbamate needs a bromine.

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Re: Coupling of thiophenes
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2017, 04:51:11 AM »
Yes, thats what I suggest. One problem could be steric hindrance from the Cbz-aminogroup, the reaction can be slow or you need to heat.

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Re: Coupling of thiophenes
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2017, 10:03:34 AM »
Ok, I will search for a complete procedure for bromination first.
And for suzuki reaction, would I need an excess of thiophene-carbamate or would 1eq of both be sufficient?

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Re: Coupling of thiophenes
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2017, 01:13:07 PM »
If you want the desired product you need 2 eq. of the thiophene-carbamate, not?

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Re: Coupling of thiophenes
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2017, 01:23:21 PM »
Ooh yeah you are right.
I also have a question about bromination of thiophene carbamate. I have seen in some articles that thiophenes are brominated using NBS and using THF (of glacial acidic acid) as solvent. I don't know the mechanism by which this reaction takes place so I don't know if thiophene-carbamate can be brominated like I propose in the attachment.

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